Mais comment fait Michael Berkeley chaque semaine pour avoir cette empathie avec ses invités, pour cultiver cette intelligence du cœur qui lui permet d'aborder les sujets les plus sensibles sans qu'on note le moindre malaise chez ses vis-à-vis ?
Sans doute y a-t-il une très intense préparation avec son équipe, mais on a aussi affaire à une personnalité cultivée, riche d'expérience humaine et artistique, qui trouve toujours en retour du respect et de la confiance.
Le numéro du 16 juillet 2017 avec l'écrivain et illustratrice nonagénaire Shirley Hughes
est un nouvel exemple de cet art de l'entretien porté à son meilleur niveau.
Le programme* qui retrace le parcours de l'artiste se conclut par une chanson des Beatles, She's Leaving Home
, qu'elle commente brièvement de manière lumineuse. ♪ She's Leaving Home ♪
1967 (seule version disponible en ligne, sinon dernier incrément du player de la BBC à 56'05)
Wednesday morning at five o'clock
As the day begins
Silently closing her bedroom door
Leaving the note that she hoped would say more
She goes down the stairs to the kitchen
Clutching her handkerchief
Quietly turning the backdoor key
Stepping outside, she is free
She,... (we gave her most of our lives)
Is leaving (sacrified most of our lives)
Home (we gave her everything money could buy)
Father snores as his wife gets into her dressing gown
Picks up the letter that's lying there
Standing alone at the top of the stairs
She breaks down and cries to her husband
Daddy, our baby's gone.
Why would she treat us so thoughtlessly?
How could she do this to me?
She (we never thought of ourselves)
Is leaving (never a thought for ourselves)
Home (we struggled hard all our lives to get by)
She's leaving home, after living alone, for so many years
Friday morning, at nine o'clock
She is far away
Waiting to keep the appointment she made
Greeting a man from the Motortrade
She (what did we do that was wrong)
Is Having (we didn't know it was wrong)
Fun (fun is the one thing that money can't buy)
Something inside, that was always denied,
for so many years,.
She's leaving home
* On her 90th birthday, Shirley Hughes, the creator of many of our best-loved and most enduring children's books, talks to Michael Berkeley about her musical passions.
In a career spanning nearly seventy years Shirley has written as many books and has illustrated nearly two hundred. She was the first winner of the Book Trust Lifetime Achievement Award, has twice won the Kate Greenaway Medal, and was recently awarded a CBE for services to literature.
Her picture books have an enduring appeal with their sympathetic but unsentimental depiction of the small dramas and joys of family life. One of her most loved, Dogger, the tale of a beloved toy dog lost and found, has its 40th anniversary this year. The winner of numerous awards, she recently received a CBE for services to literature.
Shirley chooses music by Scriabin, Mozart, Beethoven and the Beatles - who remind her of her roots in Liverpool and share her love of storytelling.